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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:33 pm

As promised, here are the bits and pieces of troll lore and info I've found in the rpg books.

Warning: huge blocks of text ahead! Wink

I'll divide it into several posts to make it easier to read, and easier for me to add my own comments.
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:34 pm

Jungle trolls believe that the spirits of their ancestors guide the universe from beyond the veil of death. Witch doctors teach that worthy trolls recieve dominion over various aspects of nature upon their death wether plants, weather, beasts or even disease. When witch doctors exhibit their supernatural powers to cure the sick, control nature or assist in battle, it is said that the ancestral spirits are riding them.

Just a little bit on how trolls view the spirits. I hadn't heard the part about the spirits of the dead gaining that kind of power. It would seem like the line between elemental spirits, spirits of the dead and spirits such as loa are even more blurred among the trolls than I used to think.
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:35 pm

Jungle troll rituals can be very elaborate, including hours of dancing and chanting. Witch doctors paint themselves and other participants with sigils and wear finely embroidered costumes. There are rituals for all events: a change of season, a child's birth, an impending battle.

Not really anything new here, we've already discussed the many rituals of the trolls many times. Perhaps we need to invent even more? Wink
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:39 pm

Troll youth do not recieve public names until the have earned a name in battle. Until then, they are referred to by generic diminutives.

Traditionally, the shamans forced initiations of all troll children into the tribe. When a troll child turned six years old, she was taken into a remote area of the woods and left there. If she made it back, she was considered one of the tribe.

These two are from different books, but I feel that they are related. The habit of sending children into the wild must be what our ritual for finding the loa has evolved in. To make it less cruel, the age of the one sent out is raised, and it was probably mixed with some other ritual, that had the purpose of finding your patron loa.

Though I wonder how they've dealt with the names? It doesn't seem likely that you'd go nameless up until the age of sixteen. Was another ritual made for this? Or perhaps the orginal ritual still exists, only transformed into something new and now solely for the purpose of naming, rather than testing the child's survival skill?
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:40 pm

Jungle troll society is tribal and highly regimented. Males control everything, female trolls exist only to make more trolls. Trolls are sly and cunning individuals. Each tribe includes a chieftain, who is either the most powerful warrior in the tribe or the most accomplished witch doctor; he leads his soldiers in raids against other creatures. The wily voodoo warriors known as shadow hunters are second-in-command to the chieftain, and a tribe also includes one or more (lesser) witch doctors, who assist the chieftain with advice and spells. Trolls are adept hunters and daring adversaries.
Most trolls are vicious, brutal and evil. They wage constans war against civilization, particularly high elves, and attempt to reclaim their past glories. Trolls are a lurking menace in any wilderness area and willingly ally themselves with other dark powers to achieve their goals.

This is not as much about Darkspears as jungle trolls in general, but I still believe it tells a lot of how Darkspear society used to be.
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:44 pm

The Darkspear tribe doesn't really hate the Alliance races, but their loyalty to the Horde and their bloodthirstiness make the Alliance a great target. However, their respect for Thrall has so far prevented them from waging their own private war against the Theramore. The Allied races do not trust the trolls at all, especially after suffering greatly at the hands of forest trolls in the Second War.
With the exception of the Darkspear tribe, trolls are evil and dangerous creatures. They are a threat to all intelligent races. Darkspears have no qualms about slaying their vile brethren.

The jungle trolls are possibly the only Horde race that hates the Alliance completely and without exception especially humans. It was Alliance forces that almost destroyed the Darkspear clan before Thrall and his orcs intervened, and for this the trolls will never forgive the Alliance. They respect Thrall's request for a truce, but when Grand Admiral Proudmoore attacked Durotar, the trolls were there on the front lines, claiming that they were not the least bit surprised and ready to defend their new home to the death. The trolls will grudingly acknowledge the other Alliance races that were not directly involved with the attack on their island, but they trust no one who allies with the humans.

Oh my, what is that? Lore contradicting itself!? *gasp* Unheard of! Or... wait.. Oh, right. It happens all the time.

Another fun detail to keep in mind is that maybe the fact that the trolls were on the front line of the defenses may have been the fact that it was their home, Echo Isles, that was being attacked... Smile
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:53 pm

Most jungle trolls are evil savages and practitioners of terrible, bloody magics. They occupied several islands east of Kalimdor, just miles from the swirling madness of the Maelstrom. They are a powerful, rough race, nearly as old as the night elves. Their warriors are fearsome in battle, often preferring to remain camouflaged in the trees and throw axes at invaders rather than engage them in the head-to-head melee. They rely on their shaman's potent magic to aid them in battle and use their magic to speed the warrior's already quick regeneration times.

When they say jungle trolls here, they must mean only the Darkspears. They are the only ones who lived on the aptly names Darkspear Isles south of the Maelstrom.

And I don't know about "nearly as old as the night elves".. All other sources claim that they are far older. Possibly even ancestors of the night elves.

The Darkspear tribe is diffrerent from their peers. While these trolls retain all of the skills and war prowess of their kin, they have turned from the violent existence of the other jungle trolls to join with the Horde and embrace the shamanistic ways of the orcs and tauren. During Thrall's trip from Lordareon to Kalimdor during the war with the scourge, the orcs stopped on the Darkspear troll's island to wait out a strong storm. They found the trolls under attack by the hated Alliance forces on one side and bizarre sea creatures warped by the magic of the Maelstrom on the other. Thrall and the orcs beat back the attackers and saved the Darkspear clan from certain annihilation, and the tribe's shaman leader pledged loyalty to the Horde forever.

Just a bit of Darkspear history.. Smile

The clan joined with the orcs and traveled with them to Kalimdor, where they aided the orcs in their war with the Scourge. After the war, the jungle trolls helped the orcs form Durotar, where they now resid primarily in Sen'Jin Village on the south coast of Durotar. The climate is quite different from the humid jungles of their home, but they know that they would be dead without the Horde and so struggle to adapt to their now home as best they can. They have and almost zealous loyalty to the Horde overall, and the orcs in particular. They will hear no one not even orcs speak ill of Thrall. Their current chieftain, the might Vol'Jin, spends much time in Orgrimmar as one of Thrall's advisors.

The Darkspears fierce loyalty to the Horde and to Thrall is repeated often in the books. Still, this feels fairly new to me. Sure, we've always known we've been loyal to the Horde, but this is the first time I've seen such emphasise put on it.

Although the Darkspear tribe joined the Horde and turned its back on its previous lives and other jungle trolls, embracing the Horde's developing way of life is a difficult aspiration for some. They know they owe their lives and loyalty to Thrall and his noble pursuits, but before the orcs came, they were accustomed to brutal and evil lives. Change does not come overnight, and there are many things to relearn. The first change was not eating the flesh of their fallen enemies in battle. This was an easy change to make at first, as even trolls won't eat the flesh of the undead. Yet when the Alliance forces attacked, the orcs and tauren had to remind the jungle trolls that the Horde does not feast on the bodies of their foes.

Troll cannibalism. Nothing new here. I'm amused by the way it's pointed out that even trolls wont go as far as eating the undead.

Another, more difficult, change the jungle trolls have to make is in their own social climate. The trolls live in a society premeated with rituals and rites of passage, some rather vicious. Traditionally, the shamans forced initiations of all troll children into the tribe. When a troll child turned six years old, she was taken into a remote area of the woods and left there. If she made it back, she was considered one of the tribe. Other rites of passage included suitors battling to the death for the object of their affection (either gender would do this), fights with blunt weapons during a marriage ceremony to establish dominance in the marriage, and having a young troll battle an older warrior to give the older troll an honourable death in battle. The practise of culling the weak gave the trolls very strong warriors, of course, but left no room for compassion within the society. The orcs and tauren have been working with the shamans of the Darkspear tribe to rectify these barbaric practises, to some success. Some traditions remain, however, even if the trolls claim to the Horde that they do not.

Some interesting details on troll culture. And yet another bit of contradicting lore. Everywhere but in this text, the sexism of the Darkspears is pointed out, telling about how women held no power whatsoever and were basically property of the men. Having a ritualized fight between man and wife for dominance in the marriage rhymes ill with this. I mean, it doesn't sound very likely that they'd allow a woman to be the dominant one. Or was it some kind of ritual beating of the wife, to further prove the man's dominance over her? Sounds a bit cruel, even for the trolls.
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:56 pm

A few jungle trolls choose to live within the orc cities. These trolls have completely turned their backs on their previous, brutal lives and are eager to learn from the orcs and the tauren. They sometimes don't understand how one can be a strong warrior and be honourable and good at the same time, but Thrall epitomizes the noble warrior to them, and they strive to learn what they can. Some trolls revert to their old ways out of misunderstanding, and some refuse to adapt, but most accept the Horde's ways as their own.

It would seem that most of the Heritage is made up of the kind of trolls mentioned in the first part of this quote. At least most of the women are. Wink

The jungle trolls are dedicated to the Horde and their new allies. They are willing students in shamanism and learning a more moral way of life than they previously lived. They admire the orcs and respect the tauren. Being a part of something greater than simply a bunch of warring troll tribes have changed the Darkspear clan.

Well... The Darkspears haven't been in war with other troll tribes for a long long time, seeing how they've lived isolated in the middle of the ocean for the past thousand years or so.

The jungle trolls deal with many other independent races on Kalimdor, especially those that pass through Durotar. They usually follow the orcs' lead on who to accept and who to distrust. Yet they have their own opinions concerning the other troll races of the continent. Having turned their backs on their evil and savage past, they look with disdain on the other troll races that have yet to become more civilized.

Someone seem to have misunderstood something again. Darkspears live in Kalimdor now... What other troll races of the continent? The only one around is the Shatterspears, and they seem to be utterly harmless.
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Post  Ryleen on Fri May 01, 2009 12:59 pm

Since their alliance with the Horde four years ago, many Darkspears have learned shamanism from the orcs and tauren. This path proves worthy and valuable, but most jungle trolls follow their ancestral faith voodoo. This malign practise involves brewing noxious potions, ritualizes dances and music, and the construction of small effigies. Voodoo taps into dark spirits that other races prefer to avoid. Trolls particularly adept at voodoo become witch doctors or shadow hunters.

Trolls have existed for ages longer, perhaps, than any other race on Azeroth. Jungle trolls seek witch doctors and tribal leaders to help them touch this ancient power. They drink strange brews, eat special mushrooms and trek into the wilderness to commune with voodoo spirits. Sometimes, a witch doctor just knocks them on the head and speaks a few phrases. Whatever works.

The last part of this always makes me think of Rafiki from the Lion King, already mentioned in other parts of the forum as a great inspiration for a witch doctor. Smile

The witch doctor's arcane magical art is formed from the ability to twist and turn nature through a crude yet effective science called juju. Often the more cunning and savvy members of the savage trolls tribes, more civilized races rely on shamanistic or priestly

This is interesting, and it explains why the mage class is available to trolls. Most troll mages would icly be with doctors, having very little in common with the mages of the blood elves and the forsaken.
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Re: Trolls in the warcraft RPG

Post  Vypra on Fri May 01, 2009 2:45 pm

WoW, lots of info here, some of it not even coherently referred to on wowwiki.

So...where to begin...

Ryleen wrote:
Troll youth do not recieve public names until the have earned a name in battle. Until then, they are referred to by generic diminutives.

Traditionally, the shamans forced initiations of all troll children into the tribe. When a troll child turned six years old, she was taken into a remote area of the woods and left there. If she made it back, she was considered one of the tribe.

These two are from different books, but I feel that they are related. The habit of sending children into the wild must be what our ritual for finding the loa has evolved in. To make it less cruel, the age of the one sent out is raised, and it was probably mixed with some other ritual, that had the purpose of finding your patron loa.

Though I wonder how they've dealt with the names? It doesn't seem likely that you'd go nameless up until the age of sixteen. Was another ritual made for this? Or perhaps the orginal ritual still exists, only transformed into something new and now solely for the purpose of naming, rather than testing the child's survival skill?

I think, that given the fact that darkspear have been stuck on islands for generations and the fact that the tribe was already so small, they had to rethink these initiations. Raising the age to 16 means the youths should have more chance of surviving the ordeal as they've been able to learn and practice the skills they would need as being able to demonstrate resourcefullness and tenacity in being left out in the wild would still be very important to demonstrate to the tribal elders.

As for the names, i tend to think of Trolls as having very short names of only 1 or 2 syllables that would then gain one of the traditional pre-fixes or suffixes after their ritual. I also think that shaman/ witch doctors may take on a special name that they use only when dealing with the spirits ( for example, gul'zayne had on his rsp description 'the flamefury' and i have something of the kind for Vypra).

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